From the archive, originally posted by: [ spectre ]


8 servings

“This is my mom’s recipe for apple pie (I’ve even successfully made it
a few times!) You can make the crust or you can use a premade one.”

CRUST (recipe makes one double crust):

2 1/2 cups white flour
2 tbsp. sugar
1/4 tsp. salt
1/2 cup cold butter, broken into small pieces
5 tbsp. cold vegetable shortening
8 tbsp. ice water

Measure the flour, sugar and salt togetherl. Stir to combine.
Add the chilled butter pieces and shortening to the bowl. Cut them in
with a pastry cutter or knife. Don’t over mix them.
Add the ice water. Mix until the dough holds together (add a bit more
water, if necessary).
Turn the dough onto a lightly floured surface, knead it together, then
divide in half.
Flatten each half into a disk, wrap in saran wrap and chill for at
least half an hour.
Roll out one of the disks on a lightly floured surface until you have a
circle that’s about 12 inches in diameter.
Put the circle in a 9″ pie plate, trimming any extra dough from the
edges with a sharp knife (parents only). Return it to the refrigerator
until you are ready to make the pie.
Add filling (see below)
Roll out the second ball of dough and cover top. Use a fork or your
fingers to pinch the edges together. cut a couple slits in the top.


1/3 to 2/3 cup sugar
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
Pinch of salt
8 medium sized apples (a medium apple = about 1 cup)
2 tablespoons margarine

Heat oven to 425 degrees.
Peel, core and slice the apples. Try to keep the size of the slices
Mix sugar, flour, nutmeg, cinnamon, and salt in large bowl.
Stir in apples.
Pour into pastry-lined pie plate.
Dot with margarine.
Cover with top crust and seal the edges. Cut slits in the top.

OPTIONAL: Cover edge with 3-inch strip of aluminum foil to prevent too
much browning.
Remove foil during last 15 minutes of baking.
Bake 40 to 50 minutes or until crust is brown and juice begins to
bubble through slits in crust.


“this is my mom’s recipe for acid (i never made it or anything but…)”

“I will discuss LSD crystal and what happens with it. This info is from
my experiences a long time ago. I can safely offer it because I have
retired from this line of work and stay far away from it.

First I will briefly discuss the people or family as there called so
you can get an appreciation for what they do and have done. The family
is motivated to spread LSD because we believe that LSD is a key givin
to us from above. LSD was givin to man from god to help him see the
error of his ways. Why do you think it was discovered during the most
horrible time in history. It is the antidote for the atomic bomb. It`s
doesn`t matter if you beleive this or not ,because what i`m trying to
express is how deeply important the family feels about the sacred value
of LSD. Those who are at the upper level`s of the family will gladly
sacrifice there lifes and freedom to do this work.

OK now down to the crystal. I have little knowlege about LSD
manufacture so i`m going to talk about the final product the crystal.
On tour crystal came in brown glass bottles with 1-10 grams in them.
The bottles were sealed and contained CO2 and crystal. You can`t just
buy crystal from family. First you have to be taught how to lay it
,which i`ll cover in a little bit. Also you have to do a thumbprint(eat
it) there are no exeptions to this rule.The reason is to make sure your
Karma is clean enough to handle this sacred work.

Needlepoint-very pure(95%) white powerdery crystal,was available in
small amount`s. The best of the best

White Fluff-Very pure(95%) white light flakes of crystal. Still around
and the most sought after. very pure

Silver-Good and clean(85-90%)-light greyish crystal. Was an
unbelievable amount of this around in the late eighty`s and early
nineties. Very good stuff. My first thumbprint was this kind. If you
ate acid in the 80-90`s you probably sampled some silver.

Amber-Decent(70%?) This crystal varied from a light amber color to an
almost dark brown color.Was always available.One batch called
quadricept amber was the color of light honey and was very good.Lot`s a
people worked with this crystal but I always would use silver instead
since it was better and the same price.

Lavender-(60-70%?) light purple to almost black colored crystal. Like
amber it varied batch to batch.

TJ(tornado juice) – purity unknown. I seen this shit in about four
different colors and it always scared me. No experiance with it.

Champagne-(50-60%) black crystal, nasty stuff IMHO. I worked with it
once and swore to never touch it again.

OK so you got some crystal and need to get it on blotter. It`s a pretty
amazing feeling holding a jar in your hands that has 10 grams of
crystal in it. That`s 100,000 doses in the palm of your hand. For
dealing with laying we`ll say we got 1 gram. Acid is always layed 1
gram=10 tenpacks. A tenpack is tensheets. 1gram=10,000doses. If your
laying needlpoint your doses will be 95mcg, because your crystal is 95%
pure. If your laying amber your shit will be 70mcg, because it`s 70%
pure. got it

Now you get a glass pyrex pan to dip your tenpacks in. Your crystal is
dissovled into 110ml. of everclear per gram.The purer crystals dissolve
instantly with a little stirring. The not so pure take a little
shaking. Champange is damn near impossible to get to dissolve evenly.
As far as paper goes, for white blotter standard watercolor paper..14
or equivalent is used. It`s critical you get the right paper. If you
don`t it won`t absorb right and you`ll fuck it all up. Prints are made
up ahead of time and perferated .

OK so you got your crystal dissolved and your paper cut and ready.
There are 2 schools when it comes to putting it on the paper. First
dump the solution in the pan and dip each tenpack into it then lift it
up and let any excess solution run off into the pan. Second method is
to put the tenpack into the pan and squirt the solution on it with a
baby syringe(the ones they give little kids medicine with). I Have done
both and prefer dipping them just because its quicker .Then the
tenpacks are layed out to dry which doesn`t take long since alcohol
evaporates quickly. If you did it right there will be very little
residue left in the bottom of the pan.This redidue is extremely potent
and is either soaked up with a piece of paper(called mop up) or made
into potent liquid(called wash). Whatever you choose this is saved for
your personal use. While your doing all this you get very,very high. As
soon as you open the jar of crystal it intoxicates the air. Most people
were rubber gloves when doing this some don`t. Just don`t have any
plans afterwards. There might be slightly different methods used when
laying, but this is how the dead family does it.

After the tenpacks are dryed there distibuted and eaten up. Since the
end of the Grateful Dead the massive distribution network that used to
get rid of so much acid has been broken up badly. Never fear Acid is
still out there. LSD is still around though it seems that a majority of
the labs are inactive at the moment. This is normal as they don`t
produce all the time. Most like the silver family only produce about
every 5 years. Though they usually produce enough to last that long.
When the Grateful Dead toured massive amount`s of LSD were distributed
around the country. On a typical east coast tour 100-150grams could
easily be sold. Thats a million to a million and a half doses. This
flooded these citys and the lsd trickled down to every nook and cranny
of america. By the time it was dry again another tour would roll
through the region and resupply it. Plus we would meet people on tour
from certain area`s of the country and keep them supplied with the help
of the good ole USPS. Sadly when the dead stopped touring this network
went into shambles. People fell out of touch and with no shows ,there
wasn`t the marketplace for distibution.In turn parts of the country
arn`t getting saturated anymore.

LSD isn`t moved and sold like the cartel`s move coke and such. It`s
handled by a brotherhood of people who truly believe there doing the
work of god(or whatever name you call creation). We believe that LSD
crystal has to be handled by the right people who are totally committed
to the movement. When we moved crystal there was always the feeling
that we were protected by a higher power. I can`t tell you how many
times i have had crystal or acid on me or my brothers and have been in
situation`s where we should have gotten busted and something always
protected us. So many times that coincidence is not an option. Why do i
think we were protected. Because the family does it for mankind not
money. We viewed LSD as the only hope for the radical change in
conciousness that would save us. So in effect we viewed are work as the
work of God. You know why they never busted a family lab? Because we
would never betray LSD. Just as Jesus was nailed to the cross we were
willing to spend the rest of our lives in jail or die to protect what
we viewed as the salvation of are species. Sound`s a little dramatic
doesn`t it, but i`m trying to give you an understanding of the faith in
LSD that the family has.

By the way the Kansas bust was not a family lab incase anybody is
wondering. The point i`m trying to make is the family believes LSD has
to move through the right hands. This is why you can`t go down to the
corner and get a gram of crystal. As some of the cooks retire i rest
assure you that they pass there recipes and secret`s down to those
chosen to continue to fight the good fight. I don`t think it will ever
be as readily available all over the country as it once was due to the
break up of the distribution cycle of tour. I could be wrong and hope i
am. Alot of old family have moved on and including myself retired,
feeling we served our time. The family does hear your cry`s for more
acid and they don`t plan on giving up on mankind. Now’s a good time for
labs to be inactive. the current government administration is viewed as
a bad storm that needs to pass as jerry sang “all good things in all
good time” Keep the faith”

“how does one fall into this line of work?”

For me and the rest of the people on tour it was just a matter of
spending year after year on tour. The elder`s that are on top keep in a
eye on everybody that help`s move there stuff. They also know the
intentions of those people. If they know your true and a total believer
in the work they start letting you hang around. Many hour`s are spent
in hotel rooms watching them work. They make sure you know every
detail. Also they make sure that you know the importance of being
honest and laying your product correctly. Every hit you lay has the
potential to change somebody`s life and bring them into the light. It`s
taught like an apprenticeship.

“Isn’t a thumbprint dangerous? You’d think a persons mind would be
changed forever after doing that amount.”

A thumbprint isn`t even close to the largest doses people have done.
Dangerous? LSD is physiologicaly one of the safest drugs there are.
There`s not one valid death that can be attributed to physiological
complications from taking LSD. I didn`t know all this when i was taking
it though. Psychologically it could be very negative if the wrong
person does it. That`s why we didn`t just walk around the parking lot
handing out thumbprint`s. As far as high doses go, it totally opens you
up. For about a week afterwards your first print you need some
babysitting. Hell you`ve just been reborn! After awhile it`s less
tramatic. As for after effects. I am middle aged and healthy. I have 3
bright healthy children. And i`m just getting my bachelor`s degree with
a 3.5GPA I do feel high very often though, but i don`t mind. The man
that gave me my first print still does crystal once in awhile and he`s
in his mid sixties.

My first thumbprint was silver. Before my print i thought i was pretty
experienced with acid. I had been puddled many times with strong
liquid. I wasn`t near as experienced as i thought as i walked into the
room and everybody had a huge grin on there face, and i saw what i was
about to take. Thumbprint`s aren`t weighed out on a scale. It`s more of
“that`s a nice little chunk ,that should do” Your talking several
sheet`s or more when you do a print. Fluff and needlpoint are damn pure
and i don`t imagine bears was any purer. I have heard of batches of
needlepoint being as high as 98%. White fluff is gorgous crystal. We
would eat this crystal like crazy. When i first met the main guy in
charge of this crystal he was snorting it!!! After i did a fluff print
i never did any other kind except needlepoint. When you eat crystal you
definatly can tell the differences between them. Purity does matter at
that level.”

“You mention the purity varying on alot of the crystal. How are they
checking purity? Just roughly with how long it takes to dissolve in a

I can tell by color. How crystallin it is and what color it is. You can
inspect the crystal once you know what good clean crystal looks like.
And then you can compare. I have a moto “if it’s white it’s all right”.
Of course the jugement on my end is not scientific . I examin it like
jewelers do jewels. The only real way to get a very accurate reading on
how pure it is comes from the lab. Most decent lab’s have a GC/MS and
can get a decent purity reading from that. Needlepoint and White fluff
are the only one’s that are reliably consistant. Silver varies a
little. Lavender and Amber vary greatly in appearance from batch to
batch. Indicating a difference in purity. If I was buying Amber or
Lavender I would want to see it first. They have a tendancy every once
in awhile to skimp on the last part of manufacture. The rinse and
recrysitazation at the end is crucial in determing purity. If this
isn’t done enough your product is less pure.Some of you may have heard
Owsley say he lost 20% of his product making sure its pure. Thats
because he rised it a ton of times. Thats why his shit was said to be
better than Sandoz. Amber and Lavender if they don’t due this good
there crystal looks more dirty. Also the purer you make your crystal
the less it weighs and it’s sold by weight.”

“How long does LSD “stay good”? I mean if i was to take it, put it in a
zippylock and then put it in the pages of a book (someplace with
unchanging air and no light.”

I find that exact method perfect. I took two sheets of needlepoint and
wraped them in plastic wrap then A. foil and put them in the middle of
a book on a bookshelf. There going on 3 years old and last time
somebody tried them they were very potent. They get no light ,air ,and
are in a cool enviroment. As for crystal it’s stored in brown glass
vial’s that are filled with CO2 and sealed.

“I was just curious what kind of sheets were going around when you were
into it and if the quality of prints vary from different parts of the

Print’s are usually made in mass amounts and then sold to the different
familys. So one kind of print can actually have several different kinds
of crystal on them. This happened years ago with the Jesus Christ
prints. The first ones were made of very pure white fluff and they were
dipped to contain a little over 100mcg. People went nuts over them and
the were the talk of the summer. Then the lavender family got hold of
the same print and put there dirty ass crystal on them and they were
about half the strength as the original white fluff batch.

“Chinacat, why are you sharing this infomation on a public forum?”

People should know the truth about LSD. The internet is the perfect
medium to transfer this knowlege. Just enough info can be given to
paint a general picture of how things work, without giving specifics
that would endanger this important work. I am in the perfect position
to do so. I am long enough removed from the active scene to offer
information without endangering anyone including myself. My friends
that still live in the old world are very supportive. Now it seams
lifetimes ago. I was just a tool in a very large tool box. The family
was around long before I came around. Luckily it was in a time when a
lot of the older folks were around to help with the scene. For me LSD
is a gift and tool given to man from the heavens. I truly believe it is
here to point us back towards the light. These values are the same with
almost all the family. After you get a glimpse of eternity you can’t
help ,but want to share it with others who need it.”

“Were Sand, Scully, and Owsely were the original chemists working for
the family?”

Yes, all 3 were family. Owsely was the original chemist of the Dead
scene/family. He set many of the standards and ethics still held today.
He also got Sand and Scully involved and doing this work for the people
not money. Sand and Scully were in The “Brotherhood of Eternal Love”.
Back then it was basically all one big network or family. After the
feds broke up the BEL in the 70’s is when people split off and ran
smaller labs,networks and were known by there product. Many of us who
have been graced by LSD owe a great debt to these 3 pioneer chemists
and the ones that still remain active and unknown today.In the days of
old tour wasn’t just a time to flood the country with LSD, but also
about making connections. For those of us on the road full time we
needed an income when we got back to the bay area. Meeting kind people
on tour was always nice, but it also provided an chance to spread the
juice when we wern’t traveling. When the Dead toured 4 times a year you
would meet all sorts of folks from every nook and crany of the US. Some
of these people were chosen to provide for there community. This is a
huge link in the distribution chain. And its also in very, very bad
shape. When Jerry died there was a lot of folks who quit touring. As
people moved around connections were severed. In the old days if you
lost track of people you knew you would see them at the next tour. Now
thats not an option because there is no tour. People have fell out of
touch. People have moved on. So as the years have moved on the existing
links have been stretched thinner and thinner.

“I’m starting to think the Brotherhood is just one more lost religion,
any truth to this?”

I have little faith in the LSD movement ever getting full steam again.
I hope i’m wrong. It will always be around, but the not like it was.
The distribution system is in shambles. It seems that a whole new
generation of younger people lacking the once highly held ethics are
ruining things. On a positive note, the psychedelic movement will
continue. Things change and may seem dark ,but we must continue. The
Psychedelic Experience and man have been together for thousands of
years. It survived christianity,it can survive anything. It goes
underground now and then, but is there for those dedicated enough to
seek it out. If you feel strongly about the benefits of psychedelics
then do something positive about it. You can’t expect the old
generation to carry the torch forever. A new wave of dedicated folks
needs to rise up and continue this work. Can you think of a more
important thing to do?

“i believe there’s a large number of us who would LOVE to get into it
and help, how is this possible?”

It is going to be tough for any new people to get into this work. This
summer has shown that poor choices were made in who would spread the
love. Not saying it can’t be done, but it will be tough. It usually
takes a few years of hanging around. Your intentions will be tested.
Not to worry though, because there are many ways we can all help. First
is to become educated and responsible when it comes to psychedelics.
Know the facts and when debating sceptics be mature and informed. Most
people have very poor info about LSD. Rumors and bullshit plague its
myth. The more people we have telling the truth the better.

Turn people on. You’ll never make a closer friend than one you turned
on. After you get to know the effects of psychedelics you can tell that
certain people would benefit from them. Talk to them if they’re
willing. Don’t be pushy, but offer them info. Then if they want offer
them the chance. The more truthful info they have the better off
they’ll be. There is always a need for psychedelics. If your totally
dedicated and willing to risk your freedom to better this planet
through providing psychedelics then all the info you need is available
at your finger tips. I can think of nothing more important for the
survival of our species and those we live with then for us all to have
access to the psychedelic experience.”